Romney and Huntsman Face Off on Afghanistan

During the 11/22/2011 National Security Debate, Mitt Romney faced off against Jon Huntsman on troop levels and tactics in Afghanistan, which the US is currently funding to the tune of roughly $2 billion a week.

Jon Huntsman took the first stab at Afghanistan policy when a separate question arose about US-Pakistan relations.

HUNTSMAN: You've got a nation-state that is a candidate for failure. And I say it's a haven for bad behavior. It's a haven for training the people who seek to do us harm. And an expanded drone program is something that would serve our national interest.

I think it must be done. And I think it must be consistent with recognizing the reality on the ground of what we need out of Afghanistan: we don't need 100,000 troops in Afghanistan.

We don't need to nation-build in Afghanistan when this nation so desperately needs to be built.

When making an independent appraisal of the region, it's useful to recall who we are fighting and why.

In Afghanistan, the US is primarily fighting the Taliban, who ruled Afghanistan in 2001. They were given an ultimatum to turn over al Qaeda members who trained in their country. To this day, the Taliban is not classified as a terrorist organization by the state department. To be placed on that list, an organization has to be foreign, engage in terrorist activity, and threaten the security of the US or its citizens.

Nationality-wise, the 9/11 hijackers consisted of 15 Saudis, two UAE, one Lebanese and one Egyptian.

Romney justified his support of current troop levels in Afghanistan.

ROMNEY: We spent about $450 billion so far, 1,700 or so service men and women have lost their lives there, and many tens of thousands have been wounded. Our effort there is to keep Afghanistan from becoming a launching point for terror against the United States. We can't just write off a major part of the world.

He then segued to address our $4.5 billion annual investment in Pakistan.

ROMNEY: We can do a lot better directing that to encourage people to take advantage of the extraordinary opportunities of the West and freedom represent for their people.

HUNTSMAN: I totally disagree. I think we need to square with the American people about what we've achieved. We need an honest conversation in this country about the sacrifices that have been made over nearly 10 years. We have dismantled the Taliban. We've run them out of Kabul. We've had free elections in 2004. We've killed Osama bin Laden. We've upended, dismantled al Qaeda. We have achieved some very important goals for the United States of America.

Now, the fact that we have 100,000 troops nation-building in Afghanistan when this nation so desperately needs to be built, when, on the ground, we do need intelligence gathering, no doubt about that. We need a strong Special Forces presence. We need a drone presence. And we need some ongoing training of the Afghan National Army.

But we haven't done a very good job defining and articulating what the end point is in Afghanistan. And I think the American people are getting very tired about where we find ourselves today.

ROMNEY: Are you suggesting, Governor, that we just take all our troops out next week or what's your proposal?

HUNTSMAN: Did you hear what I just said? I said we should draw down from 100,000. We don't need 100,000 troops. many of whom can't even cross the wire. We need a presence on the ground that is more akin to 10,000 or 15,000. That will serve our interests in terms of intelligence gathering and Special Forces response capability. And we need to prepare for a world, not just in South Asia, but, indeed, in every corner of the world in which counter-terror -- counter-terrorism is going to be in front of us for as far as the eye can see into the 21st century.

ROMNEY: And the commanders on the ground feel that we should bring down our surge troops by December of 2012 and bring down all of our troops, other than, perhaps, 10,000 or so, by the end of 2014. The decision to pull our troops out before that, they believe, would put at risk the extraordinary investment of treasure and blood which has been sacrificed by the American military.

To consider the varying costs between the approaches, the US is spending about $1 million per troop per year.